Wednesday, December 18, 2013

Bulba: "I do think the current patch has a huge emphasis on drafts."

GIH: Hello BuLba! You've recently completed a bo5 against Sigma.int for the 3rd/4th playoff for the dota 2 champions league in which you lost 3-1. Obviously this is a disappointing result. What do you think went wrong in this match?

BuLba: I think the game went the way of who had the better drafts. The first game I think we out picked them and the next 3 games I think they had a combination of better picks and play. But Sigma definitely has a better grasp of the game than us at the moment and they have some strong players.

GIH: Interesting - I noticed that your comment at the end of MLG was also about drafts. I think there you said the entire tournament had been about the drafts. Do you think the current patch puts more emphasis on drafts in general? Is it harder to win with a weaker draft than it used to be?

BuLba: I do think the current patch has a huge emphasis on drafts. Even more so than the old one. If you have a weak draft that the enemy can abuse early on, they just snowball faster with the new gold increase and it's hard to stage comebacks unless you have Elder Titan or a hero that can win u team fights even with a gold deficit.

GIH: Is there anything in particular that your team does to make an extra effort to have better drafts, then? Do you plan a lot of drafts in advance - or specific picks to beat other specific picks? Surely if drafting is becoming more important, it should be prioritized more as a team. Does your team draft together or does TC do most of it on his own?

BuLba: We do it together. The responsibility is not solely on TC. We have a mixture of ideas sometimes though and I think that hurts us. But we are all learning the game as we go. We obviously still have a long way to go. Better picks will come while we gain a better understanding of the game. Also we have to work on our execution. Its been pretty poor and we just are lacking a lot of synergy lately.

GIH: I'm glad you used the word 'lately' here because I want to press you a bit on that. What's changed? A few months ago Liquid looked like one of the top teams to beat, easily a top contender for strongest team in the West. It does feel like you guys are going through a bit of a slump, lately. I know sometimes it's very hard to diagnose exactly what's going on - but if you have any insights at all into what's changed for you guys lately, I'd be very interested to hear.

BuLba: Well once the new patch came out we just had no idea what to do. We had a general playstyle on the old patch and we knew what to do but there was a lot of chaos and I guess we were slow in adapting. Its still hard to find an answer to this because we still aren't as good as we can be. I guess we just have to practice more as a team and build ourselves up and learn along the way

GIH: Well, I think it's definitely an important test for any pro team to see how they deal with not doing as well as they know they can do. I'm sure you guys can find your old form though if you keep working hard. Best of luck with that!

On the subject of form, I have a more specific question about your recent form. In the semi-finals of the Dota 2 Champions League, you lost 3-0 against Alliance. It seems that your team has a very big Alliance problem at the moment. Of the 8 matches you have played versus them since TI3, you've won 1, drawn 1 and lost 6. In terms of games the score is 3-13.

Compare this to your record versus some other teams since TI3 and you notice something interesting. You've also played 8 matches versus Na'Vi and Fnatic since TI3. Against Na'Vi, you've won 3 and lost 5. 8-10 on game score. Against Fnatic, you're 4-4 and 7-7 on games.

It's interesting to me that you are achieving especially bad results versus Alliance since TI3 given that post-TI3 Alliance are/were clearly the 'team to beat'. Which is to say, I'd have expected all the top teams to study Alliance more than anybody else at that point and thus improve their results against them. What do you think the problem is here? Why has your team struggled so much to beat Alliance in particular?

BuLba: Hmm I don't know what we can get from the Alliance games. To be honest most of the games versus them we play poorly and they play well. I guess we draft and value similar heroes to each other and they out execute us? I don't know for sure. We definitely have had some rough games versus them though and they are still a strong team that can take a mistake and capitalize on it. And it isn't really people studying Alliance that is making them lose games lately. I think more so it's their similar struggle with the patch and what heroes got nerfed as well as how the pull system got changed.

GIH: Okay, interesting. As an outsider, it's easy for me to read significance into things that don't have any or don't have as much - so it's very useful to hear your thoughts here. You don't worry more about matches vs Alliance at the moment, then?

BuLba: No. I don't think any pro team should worry about matches. You should be confident regardless of who you play but again that's better said than done. There are definite times where you play worse because you play a certain team because you fear them. It's better to focus on your own play and the mistakes you made regardless of the enemy team.

GIH: Okay, that sounds like good advice.

Moving, away from questions about your team, Speed Gaming, a team that seems to have adjusted quite quickly to the new patch, are currently competing in China in G-League.

In a year where Alliance went to China and won G-1 league, Na'Vi went to China and won the Alienware Cup, DK travelled to the US and narrowly missed winning MLG, and VG conquered EMS in Europe, it would seem there is a trend developing of teams achieving big results away from home. Are these teams doing well despite being away from their comfort zones or in part because of this? Or does it make no difference at all?
[Speed Gaming have since been eliminated from G-league ending in 5th place.]

BuLba: I don't think it matters. Those teams were all the best in the respective patch at the time. Alliance were the best team during G-1 and Na'Vi just adapted the best to the Chinese playstyle at Alienware Cup. VG also played way better than everyone at EMS. Maybe it's cause they feel they have something to prove and are confident going into it.

GIH: That's an interesting suggestion. Some sports teams are said to perform better away from home because they feel less expectations to impress fans and thus focus more on their game without being so nervous - I suppose Dota might not be quite there yet in terms of 'home' and 'away' fans . . ?

BuLba: I doubt it, if anything the G-1 crowd was rooting for Loda more than the Chinese teams lol. And Alienware cup was online. I just think Both Alliance and Na'vi were way better than the Chinese teams before TI3 and the Chinese teams are better than the western teams at the moment. Speed told me their scrims vs the Chinese teams are crazy hard and China feels way more 'do shit' in the current patch.

GIH: Okay, that's very interesting - after losing TI3 to the West, the East is fighting back!

On a related note, in pro Dota, people have always talked of 'the East' and 'the West' but this usually just means China and everybody else. Given the size of the community, number of competitive teams and available existing infrastructure, it's perhaps a bit surprising that North America has never really been able to force a shift in the dominant discourse to one which discusses 'Europe, North America and China'. Why do you think this is? Will North America ever have enough tier 1 teams to justify speaking meaningfully about the scene separately to just 'the West'?

BuLba: Well to be fair, the American community is smaller than Europe and China by far. And the infrastructure from Dota 1 was non existent in North America also. Both Europe and China had infrastructure from Dota 1 while America had a few players. There's just a lack of good players that can commit to a schedule in NA. Playing scrims usually means playing vs European teams and that happens quite early in the day making it hard to both go to work and go to school. Also the way the American economy works makes it hard for you to just go all in on some dream of becoming a Dota pro gamer. Mainly because most of the competitive Dota games are early in the day so you have to be a full-time Dota player and that's just not liveable at the moment in the US except for a few players. MLG is trying to build up a base but there was never another organization that tried that was NA based to focus entirely on NA teams that also gave a big prize pool. I mean most sponsors want to see a lot of viewers on their streams and its hard to get that from American teams besides Liquid or EG.

GIH: Fair enough. I know it's a problem for all aspiring pro Dota players having to work out a way to pay the rent before such time as they do achieve sponsored salary etc. I didn't, however, realize what a factor timezones would play for North Americans, in this regard. It makes a lot of sense, now that you say it, that having to play during the day means it's a lot harder for you to ease your way into being a pro Dota player while doing, say, part-time work. That said, do you think that, in time, the industry will grow in North America to the point that it becomes easier for Americans to commit to Dota?

BuLba: Yea exactly, this past year was really damn busy for me because I juggled both Dota and school . I had days where I'd go for 12 hours straight with no break having to go to class at 7 AM and then being done with matches or scrims by like 8 PM. As for your second question, that eHug team came out of nowhere and is giving a team of 5 Inhouse League American players a contract that most pro teams can't afford. I guess you can say it was an e-miracle. Wish the best of luck to them. I'm good friends with the players in the team. The industry on the other hand is entirely MLG at the moment for NA. With their upcoming plans for NA next year, it should be cool but keep in mind that it definitely wont allow any NA players to play full-time that aren't at the moment.

It's very rare for a new player to come out of nowhere and make his imprint on the scene. Arteezy proved himself at MLG but he had experience playing competitive and had his connections to get a spot on Kaipi in the first place.

GIH: Right, thanks for these insights. If it's any small consolation to you, those outside of the US have to literally invert their days and nights in order to follow The International. But I guess that is only once a year.

Anyway, you've linked very neatly to my next question. What is your relationship with Arteezy and MSS? It seems like new talent in the NA scene is always heralded in by you. Is there anyone up-and-coming that we should be looking out for?

BuLba: I knew Arteezy a bit before TI2 but I started playing with him a lot after I came back. There was an IHL called NA-DL at the time and he was a regular there. I used to play occasionally and obsed a few games and saw that he had very strong laning. He then messaged me one day and asked me if I wanted to 1v1 practice and I said sure. We played quite a bit at the time since I wasn't on a team and just went to class.

At first he was pretty good and you could see he knew what to do but he had a lot of work to do. He was a classic pub stomper but over the next few weeks and months, he improved exponentially. At the time (not now) he had a small ego and was willing to learn and get better and often asked Envy and I to criticize his play. Another reason he improved a lot was confidence I think. He gained a lot of confidence in himself and his capabilities. I started trolling him as well as hyping him up on that show MAAD because he would get embarrassed and it eventually became a meme.
MSS was another pub player that I thought was good and asked to ring for our match because ixmike had an exam and he played Rubick and owned. He got a lot of praise off ringing for us. As for upcoming talent, I'd say Zai has a lot of potential even if he isn't American. He plays mostly with American players. As for specifically American, I think Mason is pretty good but he has a long ways to go if he wants to play on a team. Maybe RyuUboruZ at some times.

GIH: Okay, I'm sure that's more than enough people for us to look out for - and thanks for such a detailed answer! This next question is probably the one question I am most interested in knowing the answer to, even if it turns out to not be that interesting.

You are well known as one of the most creative innovators the pro Dota scene has ever had. Firstly, thanks! Secondly, is there a creative process you deliberately or consciously follow? Where do your new ideas come from?

BuLba: I don't think I have a conscious creative process per se. I just pick random stuff in pubs or Inhouse Leagues and test them out. Then if I think something is fun or cool I play it a bunch. That's kind of where the 0-4-4 ET build came from as well as Tinker going march.

GIH: So just, you know, science. Cool. So then, what's your favourite hero that you don't get to play in official matches at the moment?

BuLba: Probably Tinker or Disruptor. They are so fun to play.

GIH: Do you think Disruptor has potential in the mid lane since it got a pretty huge Aghanims Scepter effect?

BuLba: Yes I think it's cool but farming an Aghs on that hero takes so long - you need to snowball usually. But The hero has a pretty amazing skillset and I love it mid.

GIH: Would you ever buy a Midas on it? What do you think of the whole Midas Gaming trend? Will the extra 150 gold be the end of it?

BuLba: Uhh I guess if the circumstance arises - probably not in real games. And I disliked Midas overall so . . . I understand why people got it but it made games so damn boring and slow. As for the 150 gold, I'm sure the people going it in pubs will keep going it.

GIH: Haha, yeah, pubbers need more convincing than professionals, sometimes.

A trend that is more recent than Midas is Bristleback, which has seen an enormous rise in popularity [albeit more so in China] in the last month. Do you think this hero is legitimately first-pick material or is it being over-valued because it's trending at the moment?

BuLba: It's a strong hero. He has his counters though but if the hero does well early on, he's a pain to deal with. His damage is just so high and he's so damn tanky.

GIH: When I interviewed bOne7, he also mentioned that if Bristleback does well early on then it becomes pretty insane. If a good early game is such a big deal for the hero, why is it mostly being picked as an offlaner?

BuLba: Well early game meaning 10-20 minutes, not just laning phase. He needs few items and he is so tanky.

GIH: Okay, fair enough. Last question. Recently you've tweeted a lot of praise for Fy, most notably that:


Is there anything in particular you are impressed with when it comes to Fy? Have you learnt anything from watching him play?

BuLba: He has amazing movement and game sense. He has a similar playstyle to Chuan if you compare.

GIH: So Chuan went to ground and someone else had to step up! Haha, Okay, thanks a lot for this interview, BuLba! It's been a pleasure speaking to you. Do you have any shoutouts?

BuLba: Shoutout to my team and its sponsors, Shiny things, need for seat, barracuda, twitch and razer.

You can follow BuLba on twitter at 
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Wednesday, December 4, 2013

7ckingMad slams Midas Gaming

[continues directly from part one]

GIH: Ok, since we are talking about Gold and Exp, I have to ask you about Midas Gaming. While this trend continues to dominate much of the discussion about the current metagame, your team only bought 1 Midas throughout the whole of MLG [which was you, playing Veno, in the semi-finals vs Speed Gaming]. To me, this suggests a deliberate decision not to buy into the trend. Why is that?

7ckingMadThis trend is really bad. We will only get Midas when needed. I can assure you that, at the moment, 90% of the midases bought makes NO sense. I was very disappointed by several top teams, seeing them getting midas. They panicked after MLG. I'm glad Na`Vi realized what was going on, and maybe sat down and talk this out. They came back and approached the DreamLeague final without that midas obsession, and destroyed Fnatic. This midas is just a trend, it's really bad, and will give us and other teams that do not commit to it a lot of free wins. Sometimes midas can be really good, and game-changer, but only sometimes. My biggest disappointment was DK...I have so much respect for this team and the players in it, it always felt like they were one step ahead of everyone. If you look at their first game against Speed Gaming in the final...I dont know, you can end the game, and instead of that, you get 5 midas and throw away all the advantage you have. It's a matter of time before it disappears, anti-midas players just have to prove everybody wrong by crushing games when they face 3-4 midas. Seriously I really encourage teams to get midas, when they lose, when they win, it's a great item. GREEDISGOOD

GIH: Hahaha. Thanks for this response. I think this is the first professional player I've heard vocalize views so obviously critical of the trend. Most people seem to still be trying to work out what it's all about or figuring out whether or not they want to do it. To me, it is probably a good item to buy more often than people used to buy it before this trend started but certainly less often than they are buying it now. So even if the trend dies down, perhaps Dota will have grown for it anyway?

7ckingMadFor sure, it's a really good thing that it happened. And it gives crucial information about who really follows the meta-game, and who does not. Even if you know the other pro players, you're actually never sure of what's going on backstage, and how confident they actually are with their picks/plays. Seeing some teams completely change their mindset and starting to get 5 midas every game with any style of picks is actually a crucial information. It's sometimes very disappointing for the fanboy that I am, but well, life is hard they say.

GIH: Haha, life is hard, game is hard, everything is hard! I wasn't even thinking about how it's useful to you in analyzing teams. I mostly meant that sometimes it takes something being exaggerated in Dota for people to realize its strength before it was being exaggerated. But your insight is very interesting here, and perhaps the more obvious point. It definitely is a useful aid in analyzing the way other teams are thinking.

Speaking of what others are thinking, another thing that Bulba said recently - at Dreamhack - was that Radiant, and especially their offlane, is much stronger at the moment than Dire. Would you agree with this?

7ckingMadAgain, I'm really against saying that the game is unbalanced. The game is totally balanced, and honestly I am always impressed by how perfect the applied changes are, every time. It's amazing, really. Radiant is really strong for the laning phase, I definitely agree. But on the other hand, how many games are won only because Dire has the Roshan advantage? At the end of the day it's the same. Both sides are even in my opinion, although I personally prefer Radiant!

GIH: So you prefer Radiant but probably not as much as Bulba thinks everyone should. But lets try measure how strong your preference is here. You've written elsewhere about the advantage of first pick and how since 6.78 first pick has been far more valuable than second pick, because first pick also gets last pick. My question then is what do you value more between first pick and Radiant?

7ckingMadHard to say...it depends of the team you face. I can't really get into much details on that one - don't want to reveal too much about our approach :P. It's really situational. What I can say is that there is nothing really clear on that topic, we don't generally prefer Radiant, Dire, Firstpick or Secondpick, it always depends!

GIH: Okay, I understand. And that answer on its own is already quite informative. 

Now for something slightly different. In an interview at MLG, when asked about DK's performance on day one, you mentioned that they had out-drafted their opponents. You noted specifically their game against Liquid as an example. A lot of discussion about drafting is often very abstract and I think it might be useful to be able to have a concrete example for analysis here.

In this game, DK had ES, Timbersaw, Pugna, Visage and TA. Liquid had Viper, Furion, Cm, Puck and Venge. Could you please explain briefly why you believe this particular draft so obviously favours DK?

7ckingMadIf I recall correctly, they lastpicked Pugna. I think that Pugna + Shaker can almost 2vs5 Liquid's lineup. When they push in, and they have huge pushing potential with Pugna, Liquid just can not stop them. If they run into Pugna's ward + fissure + timber's burst etc, they will melt. It is impossible for Liquid to take a 5vs5 fight, even with a strong advantage. The ward and the long range burst will just destroy their line-up.

GIH: I can see why you'd say that Liquid can't take teamfights with these lineups. Is that enough to say that they are outdrafted, even though they have a Furion? At the time I remember thinking they must surely plan to the control the game via split-push. What would be flawed about this kind of thinking here?

7ckingMadYou're never really outdrafted. Any draft can win in DotA. But in this case I think it's very difficult for them to win this game, it's just way easier for DK, thanks to the draft. Split push is always an option, but against Pugna, it's really hard: Towers go down sooooo fast.

GIH: Right, that makes sense to me. Even though that might be the best way for Liquid to try win, it's still an uphill battle trying to win that way.

The next thing I want to ask you has actually become more relevant since the time that I thought of the question. Bristleback. What's the deal with this hero? bOne7 told me that it's a really strong hero for teams that know how to use it correctly. Here he referred to Empire as an example. Meanwhile, over the past few days, we've seen pretty much every Chinese team picking Bristleback as an offlaner and I believe almost every game a team has had offlane BB they have won. Of course, they might not be winning because of it. That said, given this development in the Chinese metagame, should we expect BB to become a more popular pick in the West soon?

7ckingMadI'm not sure about this. Against teamfight line-ups, he's really strong. But honestly he is very easy to zone out. I think that, situationally, he can be very strong, and allow you to outdraft your opponent. But he will remain a 'surprise' pick in the western scene in my opinion. I mean, he might be picked a lot at one point, but it will just be a trend. That's just my opinion, I'm not sure because I don't think I fully understand the potential of that hero yet.

GIH: Sure, fair enough. Even if you did feel more confident that you understood the hero's potential, it's often not that useful to speculate about these kinds of things and will probably be easier to explain what does or doesn't happen after it does.

My last few questions will have a bit more to do with you and a bit less to do with Dota. Firstly, when did you decide that you wanted to call yourself '7ckingmad'. There must surely be a story behind this!

7ckingMadSure ok :D Well, I don't really remember how that happened. No story behind that I'm afraid.

GIH: Once again, you disappoint my expectations of exciting explanations! Okay then, would you consider yourself to be someone who gets very angry? Do you have a short temper?

7ckingMadNo I never get very angry. I can be very impulsive like everyone else in-game, but I have a quite decent self-control. I'm rather calm actually. I just make sure, with my team mates, that we keep a very high in-game rhythm. It is very important.

GIH: Sure, so no significance to your nickname at all. Damn. Okay, moving on then.

Having been both a player and a captain, which one would you say you prefer and why? Does it depend on the team?

7ckingMadIt does not change anything to my role to be honest. Even when I was not officially captain, I was as much involved in the draft and leading as I am today. I don't think being the only ingame-leader is any good, because it means the 4 others players can't really play for themselves - something has to be wrong. Someone has to make the final call when there are severals, but the rest of the time, every player can do calls, we all play at the same level basically. Right now it's mainly FATA- and me doing those. I'm not the solo in-game captain.

GIH: It seems like this has increasingly become the case in professional Dota 2 teams - having more than one person to fulfil 'captaining duties'. It seems like a good idea to me in general. However, what happens if you and FATA- disagree on something? Say your team needs to make a big call in the heat of battle and you two shout different things on TS. What would happen then?

7ckingMadUsually other players just step up and give their opinion, and it's a team decision. Or you can also decide beforehand what happens in this situation. Better go as 5 for the wrong call, then end up with 2 players doing something, and 3 something else. That's always a disaster.

GIH: Yep, indecision is often worse than everyone agreeing to even the worst decision.

Okay, final question. Tell me a bit more about Sigma.int. Here I'm asking two things. Firstly, you wrote a blog post when the team launched discussing how this organization puts emphasis on being 'by the players and for the players'. So I'd like to know if you can offer examples of how this is the case.

Secondly, what are Sigma.int's main goals in terms of Dota 2 for the next 2 months? What does the team hope to achieve during this period?

7ckingMadIt's hard to give fast examples like this. Briefly, the model will always put the players and the community as the center of the structure, unlike what's usually going on.

Our goals for the next two months are simple: keep growing as a team, develop our playstyle and our mechanics, and win everything we can during this time :)

GIH: Okay, understandable. That's enough for now then. Thank you again for agreeing to do this interview! It turned out to be extremely interesting and I'm very grateful for your time. Do you have any shoutouts you would like to make?

7ckingMadThank you for the interview. Shoutout to all the DotA 2 players & watchers! Shoutout to my team, Sigma, kyftherock, Funzii! Shoutout to everyone that supports us! See you soon!

You can follow 7ckingMad on Twitter @ https://twitter.com/7ckngmaddota or read his blog @ 
http://7ckngmad.wordpress.com/

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013

7ckingMad: "I really think people underestimate the impact that the Gold & Experience graph had on DotA"

gameishard: Hi 7ckingMad! Thank you very much for agreeing to do this interview.

It's now been a week since MLG and, in the aftermath, a lot of fuss has been made about Speed Gaming. However, your team, Sigma.int, also had an excellent tournament and it's probably fair to say that most people didn't expect you to do as well as you did – especially since you were a last minute invite! Going into the tournament, did you guys expect to do this well or did you surprise yourselves as well?

7ckingMad: Hello there! Well, it's a little bit of both, actually. It was a surprise in the sense that we had a really bad performance in ESWC (although we finished third, I expected us to place higher). It was our first LAN as a team. MLG was really harder than ESWC in terms of teams involved and format, and we still managed to be dominating in the groupstage. We know that we can beat any team right now, it all comes down to our execution. If we come with good preparation and play at our level, we can be very scary!

GIH: Yes, indeed! I'm sure every team will be treating you as a serious threat after MLG. So what do you think changed between ESWC and MLG? Or does it just go down to ESWC having been your first LAN as a team, as you said above?

7ckingMad: I don't think it was because of the first LAN factor, or maybe a bit. I can't even remember how many LANs I attendend now, and I did not feel that it was the problem. We just were not prepared as a team, yet. FATA- was away because of his injury, we basically had close to no practice. Nothing changed between ESWC and MLG. People should remember that we are facing teams that are playing together for a very long time now, Na`Vi, Fnatic, Alliance etc...We needed time. You can't compete with the top teams after a week or two. I believe we are ready to always put up a good fight now, but it is still far from enough.

GIH: Okay, fair enough. Often we expect a more dramatic explanation than what's really there. And usually, in the Dota world, we are mistaken when we do so!

Moving along, then. In a recent interview at Dreamhack, Bulba said MLG was all about picks. Earlier this year, in a post on your blog about drafting, you said this:

"The first thing that needs to be said is that the picking phase has always been the most important part of the competitive games. This is no secret."

My question is – Bulba seems to be making a specific case about MLG. Do you think drafting was more key at MLG than you usually think it is?

7ckingMad: Hmm. I don't really agree, although I get what he means. I think that in MLG, a lot of teams were really not confident with their draft, as opposed to what we usually see. People are being too restrictive really, a draft means nothing if you can't execute it properly. You can try to play the Clinkz/Clock Speed Gaming style and lose in twenty minutes. It's also about execution. MLG was dominated by the best teams at that point, both in draft and plays.

We had the same with Quantic basically, you win thanks to the draft, and lose because you're bad. Makes me smile :P

GIH: Hahaha - Yeah, this is a common thing that is said in the Dota world, whether in a pub, a local scrim, or a big match between two professional teams. I definitely agree that execution always plays a role. A team that has a weaker draft but executes it better is likely to win very often. Perhaps in this case, at MLG, the teams with stronger drafts were also the teams executing better? In which case you and Bulba could both be correct.

7ckingMad: Exactly. He is actually quite right because at the end of the day, the teams with the most solid draft (in my opinion) won. But if you look at it differently: maybe the draft looked better because they executed it better. And nobody will ever know the real potential of the loser's draft, because it was poorly played.

GIH: Yes, that's a very good point. Similar to how history is written by the victors, Dota is also!

In my interview with bOne7 last week, we spoke about the increasing popularity of Mirana. bOne7 explained various reasons why the hero is strong but one of his reasons was to do with SingSing being an excellent Mirana player. At MLG your team made it clear that you think Mirana is a top pick, regardless of who plays it, first picking it in every game where it wasn't banned. Even Speed Gaming banned it against you when you had first pick in the semi-finals! Could you give me any insights into why you prioritized the hero so highly? Do you think it's objectively the best first pick at the moment or were there context-dependant reasons for this?

7ckingMad: It's context-dependant. First of all you need to have good Mirana players, of course. Not good micro-wise only, they need to understand how to use the hero, SingSing is one of those for sure. He actually single-handedly won game 2 against us, or at least he was the cause of all the troubles we had to face, and allowed them to come back from a very very difficult situation. This hero can be used for everything, it can be played mid, safelane, or offlane. It gives you great laning potential, it's strong in mid-game, in late-game. One other factor is that people are not yet used to play against POTM. For instance, if you play against Nature's Prophet, you know that he can teleport on you anytime, and you need to figure out a way out before that, etc. The same should be for Arrows & Moonlight Shadow, but it's not yet the case. A turning point of our game versus Liquid was us being able to dual-kill their offlane (dominating our safelane) thanks to Mirana's ultimate. They just were not ready for this play. Keeping your draft open as long as possible is, in my opinion, the key factor to outdraft your opponent.

GIH: So it's a very versatile pick and people aren't yet used to some of the things it can do? Do you expect it to gradually become a weaker pick, then, as people learn to play against it more? Or will its versatility triumph?

7ckingMad: Versatility will triumph. I have been betting on that for months now, it's just a matter of time. People complain about that patch making things random...I find it funny. Draft finally requires very good game understanding, getting Bat+Naix is not enough anymore, and it's the way it should be. If you look back at the drafts at the end of DotA 1, it looked very similar to what's going on right now.

GIH: I agree with you. In fact, in a previous post I made on this subject, I argue that the game has not become more random [certainly not in any harmful way] but rather it has become less passive. It seems to me that teams need to draft better and play better throughout the entire game now as opposed to just gaining small advantages then safely extending them throughout the game. Would you agree with this analysis?

7ckingMad: I completely agree.

GIH: Okay, moving back to Mirana then. The only two games you lost during the groupstage of MLG [versus Alliance and DK] were, strangely enough, both games where you did get Mirana. Do you feel that these teams handled what you wanted to do with Mirana better or is there no relation? If there is no relation, what do you think went wrong in these games?

7ckingMad: No I don't think it has anything to do with Mirana. We don't really have a gameplan around Mirana. The hero is just good at helping us achieve what we want. Those games were really different. The Alliance game came down to the draft in my opinion. I think we had a weaker draft, or at least we could not really pressure them as much as we should have. We still had the control of that game to a certain point. We did very crucial mistakes that allowed them to come back and punish us. The fact that they were Dire also played a big role in that game in my opinion. That's just bo1, it happens. The DK game was just us being very tired and not focused. We already qualified at that point, it was the last game of day 2, I think the fifth game of the day. Honestly we were exhausted, and our coordination just was not there. They were way stronger going into that game, they crushed us.

GIH: Right, well, as I said earlier on, sometimes the interesting explanation I am hoping for is just completely off the mark. The idea of not having a specific gameplan around Mirana leads me to my next question though.

Something else that I noticed about your drafts at MLG is the repeated picking of Clockwerk and/or Puck. You had one of these heroes in most games, and had one of them in every single game where you didn't get your Mirana. Relatedly, a post on your blog about initiation discusses the value of having heroes that are specifically good at initiating – you argue that a good initiation can win a fight, even for a team in a weaker position. I think this is true.

I have two questions. Firstly, were the Puck and Clockwerk picks [at MLG] designed mostly for this purpose – to have a very specific and powerful initiation hero? And secondly, is there any conscious relationship between not getting your Mirana and wanting the Clock/Puck more?

7ckingMad: Even though it has nothing to do with the answer, I'd like to thank you for the quality of your questions, it makes this discussion very interesting :D.

Well, I don't want to disappoint you but there is no link between not getting Mirana and picking Clock/Puck, or at least not a conscious one! Having initiators is key, unless your game plan allows you not to. We favor them also for their laning potential, and their ability to punish split push with ganks. I really think people underestimate the impact that the Gold & Experience graph had on DotA in general. It completely changed the approach competitive players have to the game. They think less about the line-ups, how to take fights, etc. We only hear about 'We had 10k gold advantage, and then we lost'. That sentence means nothing, really. If your 10k gold worth hero gets disabled, or just burst down before the fight starts, then how is that relevant? It's a feeling you have whenever you are just a spectator (example for DreamLeague), you feel like some players are really on the same page, and for others, it's just impossible to understand how they think (assuming there is something to understand ><)

GIH: Hahaha, thanks. Unfortunately, you've now pre-empted the question I wanted to ask you about your thoughts on Gold and Exp graphs! I noticed that you have commented on this many times this year. In one post you mentioned that sometimes the older or more experienced players have not had their psychology as affected by this as others and that this is a big advantage for them. In a live interview at MLG you mentioned that Na'Vi are a very difficult team to beat because they can take control of a game they are losing at any time so it means that even when you are far far ahead against them you still feel a lot of pressure. Do you think the combined experience in the industry within Na'Vi is the reason for their being able to do this? In other words, would you say they are probably better at not worrying about Gold and Exp graphs than other teams?

7ckingMad: Of course they are, I'm not even sure it is part of their vocabulary. Same goes for us, and lots of other teams. This is an advantage some teams have on others, that are new to the scene and DotA in general. Basically if the first contact you had to the game was with the G&E graph, then it is natural to worry a lot about it. It's really hard to explain with words, but some teams/players show by their plays that they understand what's going on, at any moment. And for other pro players, it's very easy to spot that. Whenever a team can end a game, and just rice-farm, then it becomes clear that this team is really weaker than others when it comes to game understanding. They might win regardless, because they played better or maybe sometimes are even more skilled, but in the long-term they will surely lose. It takes time, and losses, it really does :D

GIH: Necessary ingredients in any competitive player's development in any game or sport, I would say.


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[End of Part one. Part two will follow tomorrow evening.]


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Monday, November 25, 2013

MLG: Speculating and Reflecting with bOne7

[Continues directly from part one. Everything in the first section of this post comes from the interview on Friday while the second section of this post comes from an interview done today.Initially the interview ended after part one but I managed to catch up with bOne7 this afternoon and follow up a bit after the conclusion of MLG. As a result, a few of the less interesting questions from the original interview were removed.]

GIH: Sure, exactly because things are still so murky, any kinds of insights at all are very useful at this point! And of course I don't expect you to share any team secrets which jeopardize your own success! With that in mind, however, I want to ask you about MLG. 


Big LAN events are often responsible for shifts in the metagame or at least for solidifying particular heroes as ahead of the rest. Which heroes do you think will be most sought after at MLG? Will there be any surprises? Again, I don't expect you to reveal any secrets here but perhaps there you have some predictions you can share?

bOne7: I believe Clinkz and Doom should have some more success I guess. Those heroes seem to be too strong and too easy to play right now...BB is also a really sick hero but I'm not sure if we're going to see him since what I've noticed is that even tho that hero is really strong in the right situation, being awful at that hero will mean that you're gonna have a bad game. The first 2 heroes tho were more frequently practised, so I think those 2 should shine. Other then that I guess we should only see some trademark heroes for every team...NS/MAG for Alliance, BH for NaVi, Wisp for Fnatic, Furion for Liquid...POTM for Speed ^^. If there was Empire there we woulda probably seen BB wreck some faces...

GIH: I hope we do see a lot of Clinks because Clinks seems very good at disrupting at least one playstyle that many viewers have gotten tired of seeing - split-push! Could you explain briefly what you mean when you refer to BB? Is it something specific? Like, what things do people get wrong that makes it go from a great pick to an awful one?

bOne7: I didn't play that hero specifically...But it seems that hero needs a few minutes of space at the beginning so he can farm up his treads vang, and then he go on owning almost everyone on the map. The damage and the tanking ability of that hero is pretty much ridiculous...

GIH: Yeah, the hero can get very scary. I have some friends who joke that '1 goo = tp' because in a lot of situations many heroes are basically doomed to die once BB catches them with his first goo!

To finish off I just have a few short questions. For these questions you can answer in one sentence or less if you like.

GIH: Name one professional player who you think has great innovations in terms of new item builds for heroes. Maybe someone you might look to for ideas or just someone you respect for their creativity.

bOne7: Innovators...Hmm...Bulba is an innovator...I don't look up specific players, I usually try to research as much as possible from everyone and try to combine and understand their ideas. It's hard to just copy players...Unless they will tell you in detail their mindset, choices are usually not properly understood...

GIH: Sure. Dota is complex like that. Game is hard, right!

Is there any item that you think really needs a nerf or a buff?

bOne7: Hmm, I'd like to see some sort of buff to Skadi..that item seems just expensive and doesn't give you that much...

GIH: So you don't think the recent buff is enough? I thought perhaps giving it the extra attack speed slow might be significant. But then this is an item that has been buffed many times and is still hardly ever bought.

bOne7: No actives...No benefit to your team...Expensive as hell....Loses TI games...What can you do to it really I don't know...

GIH: Hahaha well hopefully Icefrog will read this interview!

Final question, just for fun. If you could start a game of Dota with 2 extra levels or 500 extra gold, which would it be?

bOne7I don't understand the question :D

GIH: I'm curious as to what you value more right at the beginning of a game: levels or gold.


bOne7: for sure xp is better here

GIH: Okay, thanks so much for doing this interview! Do you have any shoutouts you would like to make?

bOne7: Well, shoutout to my team, dota fans, and all my friends :D. Btw stream watchers please stop using ad blockers :D (I don't even stream and don't plan to do it soon but uhm, would be nice if people can make more from this weird thing that we're doing :D, plus you shouldn't miss important things while commercials run come on guys XD) I know...what a sellout... :D

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Post-MLG reflections


GIH: First of all, congratulations to you and your team for winning MLG! Despite not having attended yourself, how does it feel to have such a huge title under your team's belt? How different does it feel because you weren't there?

bOne7: I think everyone is shocked really, when I was watching it I was really really nervous...can't imagine how my team felt :). I'm a bit sad that I wasn't there so I don't feel as good as I could've but still it's a really really comforting feeling to know my team won even tho I wasn't there.

GIH: Yeah, I imagine there must be some element of shock involved here. Like EternalEnvy said afterwards: 'WE FUCKING WON!'. It feels like it's been quite an emotional rollercoaster. You guys have all worked very hard this year and hopefully will be able to get used to big victories in the near future :).

However, MLG wasn't a walk in the park. In fact, the tournament started really badly for your team. 
Did you speak to the team after day one where they ended 0-3? If so, what was the mood like? Was there still a real belief? Did you think they could do it at that time?

bOne7: I didn't really speak that much with them about first day, next day I told them just what they should look out for in terms of picking. We will talk more about everything when everyone's at home.

GIHOkay, that's understandable. The question I'm sure everyone wants answered given how your predictions for the event played out, especially in the finals: did you know that your team in particular planned on picking Clinks and Doombringer? Especially in such a big match? Would you like to add anything more about these heroes now?

bOne7: Yeah I knew, those heroes are really good and they fit really good into our style considering we had Arteezy there which takes a little more space.

GIH: That makes sense. I guess it's to the loss of other teams that they never identified how strong Doom, and especially Clinks were. You guys were really ahead of the curve on these. It's impressive. Speaking of which, another hero that you mentioned before that you guys love is Mirana.

In game one of the grand finals DK banned Mirana and ended up with a win. In game two they let it through, it was snatched up immediately, and the result wasn't as good for them. In game three they banned it again. I know that SingSing is now the primary Mirana player for your team but I'm also aware that you have piloted the hero for your team in the past. Could you give any insights into why you guys like this hero so much and what makes it such a potent pick?

bOne7: The hero is overall a really good hero. It has global presence, any time you gang her lane you almost always get a kill on anything regardless how tanky they are and she carries out pretty well in the late game. Mirana is pretty good but I'm not sure it would do as well if anyone else but Sing would play it really...I played that hero and we won some important games in the past but I think for now, SingSing is the best on that hero.

GIH: Yeah, it definitely seems like SingSing has some special connection to the hero at the moment. He seems to never have a bad game on it. According to datDota, he is 16-2 with this hero in competitive Dota, an insanely high win percentage for any player to have with one hero.

To wrap up, I have just a few questions about the team now.
 Do you have any comments on the whole contract scandal that seemed to unfold just before the finals began? Are the players in any trouble? What is the situation now?

bOne7: I have no clue, we'll sort everything in out the next week or so...

GIH: Ok, I hope everything works out for you guys. Then, lastly, from a Dota point of view, what's next for the team? In the next two months, what are your major aims?

bOne7: Well we want to do really well everywhere we play of course. For now we hope we can succeed in G-League and mb I would help my team win this time :D

GIH: Haha, lets hope so! Okay, thanks again for these interviews. Are there any further shoutouts you would like to add? [The previous ones will be in this post.]

bOne7: Well I guess the previous ones remain then ^^


Friday, November 22, 2013

bOne7 on MLG, Midas Gaming and more!

This instalment brings something slightly out of the ordinary - a dedicated interview with one of Dota 2's most talked about players: Pittner "bOne7" Armand. On the eve of MLG's commencement, bOne7, who unfortunately was unable to attend, discusses several ideas about current metagame and item choices.

GIH: Hi bOne7. It is a huge loss to your team that you were unable to go to MLG with them. Can you share any information on why your Visa was denied? Many members of the community have expressed concern on reddit that you might be denied again for even bigger events like, say, TI4. Do you think this is a one-time occurrence?
bOne7: I think this was a one-time occurrence...The way I prepared for my Visa interview and everything was just too poor. I basically had only vague information going into it and didn't request much help from someone who could actually help me get a Visa...Next time should be pretty easy considering I talked with a lot of people about it and I found some help from someone who helped Romanians get into the US for Esports events being in my situation :D

GIH: Great. Good to hear it's not likely to happen again! Now, onto some questions about Dota. 

Do you think the recent 'Midas Gaming' craze is dying down? Was it just a trend that will pass or is it here to stay?

bOne7: Midas is pretty weird item for me at least. Usually heroes who don't have much space to farm and don't benefit from cheap items that much would use a Midas I guess. I usually just tell my team, well this hero is pretty much useless atm, just get a Midas on it whatever :D

GIH: Hahaha - agreed. At the moment it seems a bit counter-intuitive which heroes buy it. This reminds me...you were behind a rise in popularity of Midas on Darkseer even before the 6.79 patch. Was this for reasons you discussed above?

bOne7: Yeah, I felt pretty useless with that hero until I hit higher levels so I'd just go Midas.

GIH: Okay. But, at that time, even though you started a trend of buying it on Darkseer, it didn't catch on with many other heroes and was mostly limited to carry heroes + Invoker + Darkseer. What prompted the rise in its popularity? Was it mostly to do with the 6.79 gameplay update or do you think this was a long time coming?

bOne7: Hmm...I don't even see Midas on heroes that you wouldn't usually build a Midas on beforehand. CMs have Midases but they weren't picked that often previously. Some teams in the East get Midases...I don't know, seems to be just a trend, seeing Burning build a Midas on Spectre didn't make me think "oh this is good here". Oh, I also saw a Fnatic ET get a Midas...how terrible :D. Don't know what to say, I play a lot of games and still didn't figure out Midas properly...Guess it's just a poorly understood trend.

GIH: Well it's interesting to me if even you, who are one of the biggest innovators in the pro scene, don't have a proper grip on what it's all about. It suggests the entire scene still needs to work it out a bit maybe. Personally, I feel that people are buying it on any hero where they realize they can afford it and don't urgently need another item because of the mid and long-term payoff it gives in exp and gold. Do you think this is a generally fair assessment?

bOne7: Sure, if you have no idea what you want, might as well get a Midas and hope for the best :D

GIH: Alright, cool. Enough about Midas then. Lets talk about some other items that you like.

I've noticed you've recently started going for Orchid quite often on Clockwerk and even bought it once on Juggernaut.

According to datDota, you have won every competitive game in which you bought Orchid on Clockwerk [9/9] as well as the one Juggernaut game. Your overall win rate with Orchid is 76% [16/21]. The remaining games are mostly Nature's Prophet ones where you are 6-4 with Orchid - all of which happened before the 6.79 patch. In fact, your win rate with Orchid after the patch is 100% [5/5] - 4 with Clock and 1 with Juggernaut. 

Is this one of your default preferred items at the moment or is it a situational preference? 
If it's situational, which situations are you buying it for? Did the 6.79 patch make Orchid a better choice in any ways?

bOne7: I never thought about it, Orchid is an OK item. The only thing I do with Orchid which seems to be not that common is get it on Clockwerk since an Orchid + Blademail against someone who doesn't have a BKB just destroys. It's a fairly rare when I get Orchids as well, usually it happens when we have considerable leads and the opponents heroes are severely crippled by 1 extra silence. I think we should see some Orchid Vipers tho, that things legit.



GIH: Interesting. I hadn't thought about Orchid on Viper before. Instead of something like Mek or after it?

bOne7: probably after Mek, it's pretty questionable tho since Aghs is so good. Usually slows with Orchid destroy so...

GIH: Right, that makes good sense. Lets talk about something more general now.

How would you describe the current metagame in pro Dota2? It appears to not have stabilized yet? What sort of metagame do you think we can expect in the near future? After the 6.79 patch, people were arguing about whether we will now have a gank-orientated meta or a push-orientated meta. Do we truly have either of these yet? Is it a combination of both?


bOne7: I don't really undestand these macro things that well. I mean ganging was always popular for the right teams. I think opening the offlane to more heroes means that instead of a relaxed laning phase we have this volatile laning where everything can happen, and any hero can find some kind of farm and xp gain. I guess the transition in the midgame is affected by this and maybe we have a little more action between teams who are not afraid to make a mistake but uhm...I don't know really.

Also since laning is so weird, lane rotations or gangs are profitable so I guess we have a bit more chaos there. This patch I think will take several more months until more and more things get figured out. I personally think some heroes should have a better chance now that still didn't get picked that often. Usually these heroes have a tougher times doing things on their own so they are not picked, but with the right plan in mind for the game, they should really do some work. I'd rather not talk in detail about them because I want to thoroughly test them before we go to G-League...



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Part two of this interview will be posted on Monday, after MLG ends. Amongst other things, it contains bOne7's predictions regarding hero picks at MLG which, for obvious reasons, could not be included here.